A complete loss of the plot

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Re: A complete loss of the plot

Post by Warren t claim » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:32 pm

SiC wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:48 pm
48v systems are mostly designed for crawling in traffic. Which invariably many of us ended up doing.

Why would it write it off if it plays up? Not going to be particularly complicated system and VCDS in time will support diagnostics and coding of it. Probably right about them getting to five years old, when some of them may start needing attention.
I think that's what they call a mild hybrid system.
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Re: A complete loss of the plot

Post by Dave_Q » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:27 pm

Is the 0.2mpg averaged over a cycle with mostly actual driving?

As you say, seems like it's barely worth the effort of carting all the batteries around.
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Re: A complete loss of the plot

Post by fried onions » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:39 pm

There have been throughout history many attempts at making economical personal transport. This makes sense given most car journeys are made by only one person (the driver). You could have a microcar and a regular car. The reason these ventures fail is because people do not want such vehicles. They do not want to be seen in a Peel P.50 or Sinclair C5. If the demand was there, and money to be made, there would be more of this kind of suitable transport. The real problem is always people's attitudes and money. Without a major upheaval in our way of life, to a more organic economy, this will not happen, and is unlikely to happen. Attitudes are starting to change as it is realised the current consumerist profit-and-loss system cannot go on forever, and it is already too late.
If you read Lewis Mumford you would learn a lot about how our present problems came about, and what the solutions are.
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Re: A complete loss of the plot

Post by chadders » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:48 pm

Dave_Q wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:27 pm
Is the 0.2mpg averaged over a cycle with mostly actual driving?

As you say, seems like it's barely worth the effort of carting all the batteries around.
Its the new wltp tests that are supposed to be far more representative of actual driving than the old ones.
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Re: A complete loss of the plot

Post by chadders » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:54 pm

fried onions wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:39 pm
There have been throughout history many attempts at making economical personal transport. This makes sense given most car journeys are made by only one person (the driver). You could have a microcar and a regular car. The reason these ventures fail is because people do not want such vehicles. They do not want to be seen in a Peel P.50 or Sinclair C5. If the demand was there, and money to be made, there would be more of this kind of suitable transport. The real problem is always people's attitudes and money. Without a major upheaval in our way of life, to a more organic economy, this will not happen, and is unlikely to happen. Attitudes are starting to change as it is realised the current consumerist profit-and-loss system cannot go on forever, and it is already too late.
If you read Lewis Mumford you would learn a lot about how our present problems came about, and what the solutions are.
I think that part of the problem is that people need a regular car, if only for going on holiday, shopping etc. so an additional car in the form of a microcar is an additional cost in terms of purchase price, insurance etc. which are unlikely to be covered by savings in fuel costs.
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Re: A complete loss of the plot

Post by Dave_Q » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:55 pm

chadders wrote:
Dave_Q wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:27 pm
Is the 0.2mpg averaged over a cycle with mostly actual driving?

As you say, seems like it's barely worth the effort of carting all the batteries around.
Its the new wltp tests that are supposed to be far more representative of actual driving than the old ones.
So I would hazard a guess that 0.2mpg over the wltp cycle translates to many mpg when crawling in traffic, and that cycle doesn't do much crawling in traffic.

Not to mention hopefully less of the peculiarly choking euro 6 diesel fumes for me as I cycle past the queues on my way to work.
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Re: A complete loss of the plot

Post by fried onions » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:58 pm

Modern diesels have a more acrid, horrible smell than old school diesels and they were bad enough.
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Re: A complete loss of the plot

Post by DodgeRover » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:33 pm

Old school diesels simply emitted large for particles that dropped out of the air or were coughed out of your lungs if you were unlucky, modern ones I believe they are small enough to cross the barrier into your blood stream...
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Re: A complete loss of the plot

Post by Warren t claim » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:01 am

DodgeRover wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:33 pm
Old school diesels simply emitted large for particles that dropped out of the air or were coughed out of your lungs if you were unlucky, modern ones I believe they are small enough to cross the barrier into your blood stream...
I've heard those common rail diesels are to blame for those nasty tiny particulates too.
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Re: A complete loss of the plot

Post by CLINT » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:22 am

They smell poisonous I agree, but if you remove the insides from the catalysts then not only do they drive marginally better but they smell like the older ones. Still pass an mot too. MoT emissions are not the same as the ones they had to pass to gain EU approval. It can fail the test if the cat has been visibly removed though.
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