Which manufacturers will be fucked in 2030?

[AMCrebel]

I can see this as being a worldwide leveler. The yanks have cheap petrol but do they have cheap electricity?

Presumably they could use the cheap petrol to make electrcity?

[AMCrebel]

So anything down to a semi-hybrid (electric assist) is acceptable, or does it have to be a full hybrid capable of propelling itself along by electric alone?

For the UK ban they are saying hybrids will be allowed until 2035 but they are saying they will need to have a “significant” zero-emissions distance - so the weedy strap-on ones won't cut it.

[AMCrebel]

An interesting thread on Autoshite - well, just the one.

Come 2030 and no more new petrol or diesel cars, who will pull the plug and tell the UK to go fuck themselves? Take BMW, Mercedes and Audi as just three. There will be a long period where nobody is buying a new car but where folk will just keep their ICE car for as long as possible.

Who will bite the bullet first? I reckon Ford will pull the plug first. With the Chinks controlling at least half of lithium production, the whole EV thing has got disaster written all over it.

I already see loads of electric BMWs. Mercs and ALDIs about so not sure why you think they won't sell here?

Haven't we got some lithium mines in Cornwall?

[Scruffy Bodger]

An interesting thread on Autoshite - well, just the one.

Come 2030 and no more new petrol or diesel cars, who will pull the plug and tell the UK to go fuck themselves? Take BMW, Mercedes and Audi as just three. There will be a long period where nobody is buying a new car but where folk will just keep their ICE car for as long as possible.

Who will bite the bullet first? I reckon Ford will pull the plug first. With the Chinks controlling at least half of lithium production, the whole EV thing has got disaster written all over it.

I already see loads of electric BMWs. Mercs and ALDIs about so not sure why you think they won't sell here?

Haven't we got some lithium mines in Cornwall?

Not yet afaik but they have been looking for suitable sites iirc? Weren't they on about trying to dissolve it and pump it out instead of mining?

Not that it'll put them out of business I'm sure but I see they are still having real problems with the Chevvy Bolt in the states threatening the end of its production run. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/15/gm-advi ... -cars.html

GM advising some Bolt EV owners to park 50 feet away from other cars in case of fire

They are still trying to sort it out so you can safely charge them inside.

https://electrek.co/2022/01/26/burned-o ... t-is-dead/

[mercrocker]

GM are proper in the shit. They won't be around much longer.

[Jerzy Woking]

Which kind of brings me round to another bugbear question if, in the extremely unlikely outcome, we all drive electric.....

Where does the Gubbermint find £37 billion that currently comes in from fuel excises?

Directly from those that just use electricity for their own domestic use (heat, light, powering white goods), that's where. All electric tariffs will increase to cover the deficit. And no doubt make more money for both the Government and the power company directors and shareholders. Makes me vomit.

I am not aware that anyone that doesn't have a car/van /motorbike presemtly pays for anyones fuel directly. Which is fair enough-don't contribute to something you don't use.

[SiC]

Not sure that'll work given the amount of solar being fitted. Especially in the summer.