Rusty Triumphs in Scotland
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Re: Rusty Triumphs in Scotland
Sounds like an interesting bit of furniture. Can you build me one?
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Re: Rusty Triumphs in Scotland
Good old 70s furniture when you were allowed to shag your secretary at work.
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Re: Rusty Triumphs in Scotland
Or sit them on the photocopier with their knickers down....
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Re: Rusty Triumphs in Scotland
Right. Weekend summary.
Day -1 : Yes, minus 1. Work was due to start on Sat but @GingerNuttz couldn't resist prodding at the wobbed up rear door and found it was rotten as fuck at the bottom and filled higher up, probably a dent repair. So roughed in a repair on Fri before I'd even arrived. It'll need loads of hammer and dolly action to look the part but is solid and 100% metal. Once finished everything is going to be drowned in vactan, zinc primer and waxoil so I'll never need to come back to it again!
Day 1 - The first actual day of work with me present. I arrived at 10:30am for assessment of front panels and chassis legs. White pen had been used liberally across the car to highlight repairs required.
Mr Nutzz had also taken off the bonnet and remaining engine bay clutter and started undoing the gearbox/engine bolts ready for removal. We pushed the car into the garage behind the Triumph Herald chassis as there was a van blocking the gate so we couldn't swap them over. The the strip down of the front end commenced. I started pulling trim and lights off while the Nutzz man made a start on repairing the N/S chassis leg.
Removing the front bumper required some angle grinder usage...
It was quite grotty behind the lights and grille. As in at least half of the metalwork was entirely absent and the rest was utterly fucked.
The corners of the wings and edge of the front valance were entirely filler and up on cutting the rot out we found...
Seems the rear arches weren't the only part to get the double skin treatment. At some point a new valance has been glued over the remnants of the old. Although they did at least cut most of the old one away this time...
I think it was around this time we decided to pull the engine. This was done properly with a crane and some chains and definitely wasn't* three blokes lifting it out by hand while being really confused as to why the gearbox was also coming despite being detached (because the gearbox mount was totally and utterly fucked).
With the engine out we pulled the sump off to admire the condition.
This is the big end bearing for No.3...
The hardened surface on the crank is entirely gone...
This end cap had gotten so hot the metal had blued... The adjacent oil pump was heat seized solid, we couldn't even get it apart...
My next video release will show the sheer amount of play in the crank/conrods and the fore-aft movement caused by shagged thrust bearings. I ran a magnet across the bottom of the sump and gained 2mm of metal... We were going to take out the crank but the pulley nut may as well have been welded on and we lacked the right adaptor to get the huge socket on the impact gun...
Diagnosis of failure: Catastrophic destruction of big end bearings, potentially accelerated by wear in the thrust bearings but as the engine was all sludged up when I got it it was probably neglected badly at some point in the past anyway.
If I'd done a full rebuild when I first got the car it would have been savable, but 12,000 odd miles of use down the line? Nope. Salvageable parts? Nothing. It's entirely knackered, the crank is beyond regrinding, the bores are scored, the area around the main bearings will be compromised from the heat given off by No.3 going supernova so the block is toast, the cam will have 140k of wear and the original head is fucked from long term oil starvation. RIP engine...
No evidence of any prior rebuild and plenty of evidence the car had done 138,000 miles... A long life for a Triumph SC engine, but it's now finished.
We poked around with the front valance and wings a bit more trying to find solid metal until we decided it was home time at 16:00. The car was pushed back into the driveway for the night.
Day 2 - I turned up at around 10:45. Now the gate was clear and we could swap the Dolly and Herald around. We towed the Dolly out with the Acclaim and pushed the Herald clear.
The Dolly was then rolled into the garage and the Herald sat on the driveway and well covered with tarps.
The front of the car was then bashed/cut to fuck in a hunt for good metal...
The "eyebrow" panels that live under the front panel and above the headlights hold the front panels and the wings together and a notorious rot spot due to the location and the number of overlapping panels/seams. Mine were completely and utterly fucked.
The remains of the O/S example was removed more or less intact via use of a plasma cutter to use as a template but the section that runs down the side of the wing beside the headlight was entirely missing on both sides. This had us pretty stumped because without knowing how it all went together and what purpose the panel served we couldn't really replicate it or replace it in an effective manner. So we finished a bit early and I hit the internet to find pictures. Thankfully a guy on the TDC forum had documented his concourse resto of a Sprint and there were loads of pictures of the whole area repaired as per it left the factory, so now we have something to work from.
A rough up of the O/S "eyebrow" panel has been knocked up and a few test fits attempted but it'll need a fair bit more work to be finalised.
Another thing we did do was make up a large chunk of the N/S front valance and indicator mount. Sadly @GingerNuttz doesn't like posting WIP shots (preferring before/after) despite the fact that about 25% into him making a panel is the point where 95% percent of people would say "yup, that'll do" and weld it to the car. so you'll just have to make do with this teaser shot...
It took a while to get the indicator area correct as the indicator mount remains vertical while the panel curves both downwards and inwards.
A full GRP panel is avaliable from the TDC for £160 + £25 for joining the club, and then a 10 hour drive and £100+ in petrol to collect it from the Midlands. The "eyebrow" panels are avaliable in GRP for £45 each, headlight mounting panels are £52 each. Just to get the panels for the front end would be the best part of £500 and would leave the wings still to be repaired. That's a lot of money/time that can be spent actually working on the car/ buying suspension bushes, etc + time waiting for parts to arrive which would probably need fettled to fit anyway so the decision was made to fabricate the lot...
Anyway, work was a bit slower overall on Day 2 but overall still utterly blistering due to the speed Mr Nutzz works at. He's threatened to have the entire front of the car finished by my next visit a week on Sunday which I can easily see being the case...
Day -1 : Yes, minus 1. Work was due to start on Sat but @GingerNuttz couldn't resist prodding at the wobbed up rear door and found it was rotten as fuck at the bottom and filled higher up, probably a dent repair. So roughed in a repair on Fri before I'd even arrived. It'll need loads of hammer and dolly action to look the part but is solid and 100% metal. Once finished everything is going to be drowned in vactan, zinc primer and waxoil so I'll never need to come back to it again!
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Day 1 - The first actual day of work with me present. I arrived at 10:30am for assessment of front panels and chassis legs. White pen had been used liberally across the car to highlight repairs required.
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I think it was around this time we decided to pull the engine. This was done properly with a crane and some chains and definitely wasn't* three blokes lifting it out by hand while being really confused as to why the gearbox was also coming despite being detached (because the gearbox mount was totally and utterly fucked).
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With the engine out we pulled the sump off to admire the condition.
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My next video release will show the sheer amount of play in the crank/conrods and the fore-aft movement caused by shagged thrust bearings. I ran a magnet across the bottom of the sump and gained 2mm of metal... We were going to take out the crank but the pulley nut may as well have been welded on and we lacked the right adaptor to get the huge socket on the impact gun...
Diagnosis of failure: Catastrophic destruction of big end bearings, potentially accelerated by wear in the thrust bearings but as the engine was all sludged up when I got it it was probably neglected badly at some point in the past anyway.
If I'd done a full rebuild when I first got the car it would have been savable, but 12,000 odd miles of use down the line? Nope. Salvageable parts? Nothing. It's entirely knackered, the crank is beyond regrinding, the bores are scored, the area around the main bearings will be compromised from the heat given off by No.3 going supernova so the block is toast, the cam will have 140k of wear and the original head is fucked from long term oil starvation. RIP engine...
No evidence of any prior rebuild and plenty of evidence the car had done 138,000 miles... A long life for a Triumph SC engine, but it's now finished.
We poked around with the front valance and wings a bit more trying to find solid metal until we decided it was home time at 16:00. The car was pushed back into the driveway for the night.
Day 2 - I turned up at around 10:45. Now the gate was clear and we could swap the Dolly and Herald around. We towed the Dolly out with the Acclaim and pushed the Herald clear.
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The front of the car was then bashed/cut to fuck in a hunt for good metal...
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The remains of the O/S example was removed more or less intact via use of a plasma cutter to use as a template but the section that runs down the side of the wing beside the headlight was entirely missing on both sides. This had us pretty stumped because without knowing how it all went together and what purpose the panel served we couldn't really replicate it or replace it in an effective manner. So we finished a bit early and I hit the internet to find pictures. Thankfully a guy on the TDC forum had documented his concourse resto of a Sprint and there were loads of pictures of the whole area repaired as per it left the factory, so now we have something to work from.
A rough up of the O/S "eyebrow" panel has been knocked up and a few test fits attempted but it'll need a fair bit more work to be finalised.
Another thing we did do was make up a large chunk of the N/S front valance and indicator mount. Sadly @GingerNuttz doesn't like posting WIP shots (preferring before/after) despite the fact that about 25% into him making a panel is the point where 95% percent of people would say "yup, that'll do" and weld it to the car. so you'll just have to make do with this teaser shot...
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A full GRP panel is avaliable from the TDC for £160 + £25 for joining the club, and then a 10 hour drive and £100+ in petrol to collect it from the Midlands. The "eyebrow" panels are avaliable in GRP for £45 each, headlight mounting panels are £52 each. Just to get the panels for the front end would be the best part of £500 and would leave the wings still to be repaired. That's a lot of money/time that can be spent actually working on the car/ buying suspension bushes, etc + time waiting for parts to arrive which would probably need fettled to fit anyway so the decision was made to fabricate the lot...
Anyway, work was a bit slower overall on Day 2 but overall still utterly blistering due to the speed Mr Nutzz works at. He's threatened to have the entire front of the car finished by my next visit a week on Sunday which I can easily see being the case...
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Re: Rusty Triumphs in Scotland
That looks impressive work & I'd much rather have real metal than GRP.
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Re: Rusty Triumphs in Scotland
Loving this thread. You've been fucking jammy landing on someone with the skillz for this as that looks pretty fooking fooked mate! You definitely got your money's worth out that engine too looking at that bearing 
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Re: Rusty Triumphs in Scotland
Great work by your pal with the ginger balls. I worry my allegro is heading down the same road with rusty front end.
That bearing reminds me of my hymac engine
That bearing reminds me of my hymac engine
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