Budget 2020

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When I used to drive plant you'd have a tanker come round each morning to fill you up. Motor scrapers had a couple of Detroit diesels strokers in them, and though everything has gone lovely and green now I'd guess you're still bunging 300 gallons in every day. Imposition of road fuel duty in this area is as unrealistic as the cunt who thought of it.
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I think it's largely to do with this Global COP26 environmental conference in Glasgow later this year.

It gets the government some brownie points with the Greatas of this world and is easy to implement, at least from their point of view. It's a bit ironic as they're planning on spending £27 billion or whatever on road building and are increasing the cost of doing so, mind you in my mind green policies rarely make sense.
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Well we can look forwards to fuel thefts and tax evasion soring due to that forward thinking!

When I was on the fairgrounds rides at the big shows we used to hand pump about 150 gallons a day into the big diesel generators that were in a container, one generator usual ran 2 big rides, that's a hell of a lot of fuel over the course of 2 or 3 weeks, if you were running full loads all day they would want extra topping up too.
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Also in the Budget papers:
Reducing vehicle pollution

1.244 Meeting the UK’s net zero commitment will require emissions reductions across all modes of transport. However, road transport is responsible for 91% of domestic transport greenhouse gas emissions⁷⁰ and is one of the biggest contributors to poor air quality in the UK’s towns and cities. The government has set ambitious targets to increase the number of zero emission vehicles on the road and is currently consulting on bringing forward the phaseout date for the sale of new petrol and diesel cars and vans from 2040. Meeting these targets will require a combination of spending, regulation and taxes.

1.245 Consumer incentives support the development of markets for new transport technology. The government is considering the long-term future of incentives for zero emission vehicles alongside the 2040 phase-out date consultation. Until then, the government will provide £403 million for the Plug-in Car Grant, extending it to 2022-23. Recognising that the market for other ultra-low emission vehicles is still very small, the government will also provide £129.5 million to extend the Plug-in Grants for vans, taxis and motorcycles to 2022‐23. In addition, the Budget announces the exemption of zero emission cars from the Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) ‘expensive car supplement’ and the publication of a call for evidence on VED, which will include how it can be further used to reduce vehicle emissions. (35, 44)

1.246 Access to high quality, convenient charging infrastructure is critical for drivers to make the switch to electric vehicles confidently. The government is therefore providing £500 million over the next five years to support the rollout of a fast-charging network for electric vehicles, ensuring that drivers will never be further than 30 miles from a rapid charging station. This will include a Rapid Charging Fund to help businesses with the cost of connecting fast charge points to the electricity grid. To target spending from this fund effectively, the Office for Low Emission Vehicles will complete a comprehensive electric vehicle charging infrastructure review.

1.247 The government will also remove the entitlement to use red diesel from April 2022, except in agriculture, fish farming, rail and for non-commercial heating (including domestic heating). By removing this tax relief on pollution, the government will encourage businesses and industry to improve the energy efficiency of their vehicles and machinery or look for greener alternatives. The development of these alternatives will be supported by the government more than doubling its investment in the Energy Innovation Programme. (39)

1.248 Cleaner vehicles will improve air quality. The government is committed to bringing roadside concentrations of polluting nitrogen dioxide gas within legal limits in the shortest possible time. The Budget therefore allocates an additional £304 million to enable local authorities to take immediate steps to reduce nitrogen dioxide emissions. This brings the total amount that government has provided to affected local authorities to £880 million, meeting the government’s obligations to all affected local authorities. (36)

From:Vehicle Excise Duty: call for evidence

Summary of Questions
  1. Why are first licence VED rates currently failing to discourage many car buyers from making higher emitting choices?
  2. What are your views on higher first licence VED rates for more polluting vehicles?
  3. How would this impact the vehicles that manufacturers sell in the UK?
  4. What are your views on the potential ways of enhancing the impact of first licence VED outlined above?
  5. For new vehicles, do you think that government should base ongoing VED liabilities on carbon emissions, rather than just at first registration?
  6. Do you think the government should reform VED rates for vehicles registered from 1 April 2017 so their liabilities reflect their carbon emissions?
  7. Are you aware of any unintentional perverse environmental incentives that have developed over time relating to VED on vehicles first registered prior to April 2017? Do you think government should take any action relating to this?
  8. Do you think motorcycles should be taxed based on carbon emissions?
  9. What impact would this have on the behaviour of those looking to purchase a new motorcycle?
  10. Should the government continue to take account of NOx emissions if it reforms the VED system?
  11. Is the signal to purchase RDE2 compliant diesel cars strong enough?
This call for evidence will be open for 12 weeks, opening Wednesday 11th March and closing Wednesday 3rd June.

Please send your responses to ETTAnswers@hmtreasury.gov.uk
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Be aware and get your considered responses in. You can imagine some bat-shit crazy folk submitting some retrospectively applicable stuff that won't be economically favourable to older vehicles that are perfectly serviceable and where the whole-life environmental cost isn't taken into consideration.
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Yup as part of they want to tax older bikes even more. As obviously by filtering past and not being part of the traffic issue we need to be punished for it.
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"he Budget therefore allocates an additional £304 million to enable local authorities to take immediate batshit crazy steps to reduce nitrogen dioxide emissions by introducing schemes to directly target poorer motorists the most. This brings the total amount that government has provided to affected local authorities to £880 million, meeting the government’s obligations to all affected local authorities. (36)"
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Aye AMCrebel, that'll be more LEZs.

Annual circulation tax doesn't really bother me. I pay a fuckton here in Ireland as the CO2 basis only applies from 2008. Therefore I'm taxed on 100cc bands from 1 to 3 litre. What does affect things is the first registration is applied is worked out on CO2, but in absence of those figures a maximum amount is replied. Since January they're also charging first registration on NOx. Fortunately vehicles over 30 years old don't come under these rules, but it really does affect future classics/youngtimers (or whatever you want to call stuff 20-30 years old). You'd be absolutely nuts importing something 29 years old given the difference in cost.

Motorcycles really shouldn't be caned retrospectively, they form such a tiny proportion of the vehicle parc and are of no significance in the grand scheme of things.

I'll give some examples of how shit it is here later.
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It's all fucking mental whilst aviation fuel is tax free.

It's like worrying about a spot on your forehead when you're doing an impersonation of the Black Knight in Monty Python.
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Yeah & aircraft put the pollution right up high where it does damage, unlike cars & bikes.
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