Electric vehicles, pros and cons. Have your say.

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I’ve only just found out that there’s apparently no neutral gear on electric cars so you can’t tow them or move about easily.
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I've never got that. Surely they'd just be recharging with 'regenerative braking' where the motors run as alternators?
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You would have thought that would some sort of system to allow emergency towing. Even if it is as wierd as the modern range rovers
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LynehamHerc wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 4:09 pm "DETROIT, Nov 3 (Reuters) - The board of Cruise, the robo-taxi company controlled by General Motors (GM.N), has hired an outside law firm and technology consultants in the aftermath of an accident that led it to suspend all driverless vehicle operations, Cruise said Friday"

"Federal and state safety regulators are investigating a series of accidents involving driverless Cruise vehicles. California regulators suspended the company's license to operate driverless vehicles last month, saying the self-driving vehicles were a risk to the public."

"The operation lost more than $700 million in the third quarter of this year as it has increased spending to expand operations to 15 U.S. cities."

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos- ... 023-11-03/

I see that GM is continuing to be a great company.
I saw that a few weeks back. https://www.forbes.com/sites/cyrusfariv ... cian-says/

A San Francisco politician is now accusing autonomous vehicle company Cruise of “telling a half truth” with regard to its responsibility in the wake of a recent incident where a woman was struck by a human-driven car and then was immediately also hit by one of its robotaxis.

However, in an interview with Forbes, San Francisco Supervisor Aaron Peskin now says that while the robotaxi may have attempted to avoid hitting her, the AV “dragged her underneath the car for approximately 20 feet, which was the source of her major injuries.”

IIRC the cars are programmed to park up somewhere safe if involved in an accident, the car didn't know* someone was tangled up in it during that manoeuvre so her injuries were made much worse.

https://jalopnik.com/woman-hit-by-cruis ... 1850963884

What Cruise did not say, and what the DMV revealed Tuesday, is that after sitting still for an unspecified period of time, the robotaxi began moving forward at about 7 mph, dragging the woman with it for 20 feet.

I couldn't access the Reuters article because of my Adblock, was it light on detail?
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It's almost* like they are way to primitive to use on the roads. Needs a few more decades research & advancements I'd say.
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Scruffy Bodger wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:04 pm I couldn't access the Reuters article because of my Adblock, was it light on detail?
Someone had already archived a snapshot

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Scruffy Bodger wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:04 pm
LynehamHerc wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 4:09 pm "DETROIT, Nov 3 (Reuters) - The board of Cruise, the robo-taxi company controlled by General Motors (GM.N), has hired an outside law firm and technology consultants in the aftermath of an accident that led it to suspend all driverless vehicle operations, Cruise said Friday"

"Federal and state safety regulators are investigating a series of accidents involving driverless Cruise vehicles. California regulators suspended the company's license to operate driverless vehicles last month, saying the self-driving vehicles were a risk to the public."

"The operation lost more than $700 million in the third quarter of this year as it has increased spending to expand operations to 15 U.S. cities."

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos- ... 023-11-03/

I see that GM is continuing to be a great company.
I saw that a few weeks back. https://www.forbes.com/sites/cyrusfariv ... cian-says/

A San Francisco politician is now accusing autonomous vehicle company Cruise of “telling a half truth” with regard to its responsibility in the wake of a recent incident where a woman was struck by a human-driven car and then was immediately also hit by one of its robotaxis.

However, in an interview with Forbes, San Francisco Supervisor Aaron Peskin now says that while the robotaxi may have attempted to avoid hitting her, the AV “dragged her underneath the car for approximately 20 feet, which was the source of her major injuries.”

IIRC the cars are programmed to park up somewhere safe if involved in an accident, the car didn't know* someone was tangled up in it during that manoeuvre so her injuries were made much worse.

https://jalopnik.com/woman-hit-by-cruis ... 1850963884

What Cruise did not say, and what the DMV revealed Tuesday, is that after sitting still for an unspecified period of time, the robotaxi began moving forward at about 7 mph, dragging the woman with it for 20 feet.

I couldn't access the Reuters article because of my Adblock, was it light on detail?
This is the bit that I can access but didn't post:

M, in a statement Friday, said "we fully support the actions that Cruise leadership is taking to ensure that it is putting safety first and building trust and credibility with government partners, regulators, and the broader community. Our commitment to Cruise with the goal of commercialization remains steadfast.”

Federal and state safety regulators are investigating a series of accidents involving driverless Cruise vehicles. California regulators suspended the company's license to operate driverless vehicles last month, saying the self-driving vehicles were a risk to the public.

California regulators said Cruise officials had misrepresented information about an accident in which a Cruise car struck a pedestrian after she had been hit by a vehicle operated by a human driver.

Federal regulators last month told Cruise they are investigating incidents in which Cruise driverless cars appeared to fail to yield to pedestrians in crosswalks. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration had previously opened an investigation into incidents in which Cruise cars were struck from behind.

Cruise said last week it would pause all driverless operations "while we take time to examine our processes, systems, and tools."
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Hooli wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:19 pm I've never got that. Surely they'd just be recharging with 'regenerative braking' where the motors run as alternators?

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Scruffy Bodger wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:08 pm
Hooli wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:19 pm I've never got that. Surely they'd just be recharging with 'regenerative braking' where the motors run as alternators?

Thanks. I'd always thought there was no way the car would react differently to just rolling downhill or similar. I'd assume it'd have to be a flat tow though, I can imagine it getting very confused with only two wheels on the floor.
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The USA DOJ has launched an investigation into Tesla lying about the range of their cars.

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