Stellantis. Is it the 21st century global British Leyland?

[LynehamHerc]

Do you think Tata has already tried to offload Jaguar to Stellantis for a nominal fiver?

Are you talking about just Jaguar or JLR?

[Warren t claim]

Do you think Tata has already tried to offload Jaguar to Stellantis for a nominal fiver?

Are you talking about just Jaguar or JLR?

Just Jaguar.

[LynehamHerc]

Given the amount it needs to invest for its electric future unless there's serious synergies with the 4wd side it's going to need a shedload of money which I doubt could be justified on a standalone basis.

As Maserati seems to be going down the EV route it might make sense for Stellantis to buy it and use common platforms.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Stellantis brand dead pool speculation. Which will be the first to get the Pontiac treatment? Lancia or Vauxhall?

Lancia. It was dead 20 years ago.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Do you think Tata has already tried to offload Jaguar to Stellantis for a nominal fiver?

Are you talking about just Jaguar or JLR?

Just Jaguar.

Tata just doesn't have the money to save Jaguar. There's lots of bullish talk of a 2025 relaunch as an EV only marque but not one prototype has been spotted.

JLR needed Toyota or VAG, not a wealthy teabag magnate.

[LynehamHerc]

They're certainly running out of time unless 2025 is just the launch year and cars are only available 2 more years later.

They do have an EV hardware deal with BMW, as far as I remember, so I suppose they could do a fair bit of testing using BMW bodied mules and/or Range Rover ones as a RR EV is due in 2024 I think.

[SiC]

Tata group as a whole is probably bigger and a larger cash pile than VAG?
Automobile companies profit levels for a long time have always been pretty dismal for the amount of capital expenditure needed.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Tata group as a whole is probably bigger and a larger cash pile than VAG?
Automobile companies profit levels for a long time have always been pretty dismal for the amount of capital expenditure needed.

How many cars does VAG sell a year? Millions and millions.

Jaguar needs VAG level investment, but for what? 50,000 cars a year?

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Blimey, Tata is worth a few quid.

[LynehamHerc]

It's the Consulting Services I think.

When I was consulting we did a few joint bids with them in the energy industry, they can ship, or at least could, staff in from India and get a lot of the coding etc. actually done in India. They could significantly undercut us and still make massive profits as their staff costs were so much lower.